Brine spreading on NY roads

The person I spoke with answered the phone so likely knew not much.

The HEADQUARTERS of env products and svcs are in Syracuse – they are a big outfit.  They have facilities in PA, and from what I was told there are no storage facilities nor transport of PA waste from their outfit from PA to NY – they store it there in PA.  Just opened another facility near Pittsburgh.  the space they have here in syracuse is not large.

warrants more looking into but their facilities in PA are huge so I do not doubt they are not bringing it to store here anyway.  needs a looksee on how they have to report disposal…and where.  likely is coming to NY but I sorta doubt Syracuse.

Mary

Marcellus gig link here http://www.epsofvermont.com/gas%20field%20services.html

On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 6:34 PM, William Huston <williamahuston@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks very much for calling, Mary.

That’s troubling. The person you spoke with either was mis-informed,
… or worse.

I used 2 Fractracker maps to begin my inquiry:
This map shows Syracuse received “Fracing Fluid Waste” = 37.96 BBLs
http://www.fractracker.org/2012/03/where-does-the-waste-from-pas-marcellus-wells-go/

This map makes a connection to the waste facility and particular wells:
http://www.arcgis.com/home/webmap/viewer.html?webmap=8bd41c4a84e446269b8e4b136aa5b633
Wells are: HEPLER D 235 2H, 7H, 3H, 5H

From this I was able to grab the PA Waste data for 2013:
https://www.paoilandgasreporting.state.pa.us/publicreports/Modules/DataExports/DataExports.aspx

And sorted on facility Zip Code.

Sure enough, it’s all there. (see attached).
Each well contributed 9.49 BBLs x4 = 37.96 BBLs.

37.96 BBLs * 43 gal/BBL = ~1632.3 gal.

The big tanker trucks which haul brine are various sizes.

A: 4,600 gal (106 BBLs) This triaxle vaccum trucks are extremely common around Susquehanna County

B: 5,600 gal (130 BBLs) These trucks haul landfil leachate from Waterloo to Endicott

C: 9,300 gal (216 BBLs) Larger trucks, like those that haul gasoline, also Waterloo to Endicott

So, ~38 BBLs is a relatively small amount of fluid,
one of the smaller vacuum trucks ~1/3 full. 

The largest 1,100 gal “water buffalos” in PA are ~26 BBLs.

Still, interesting they didn’t give you the straight story…BH

On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 5:37 PM, Mary Menapace <msmenapace@gmail.com> wrote:

As for Syracuse –

Vermont Env Products and Services headquarters are in Syracuse.  On PA DEP site they are listed as taking “used frack fluid for storage and ultimate disposal.”

I called their HQ here in Syracuse and was told no PA wastes are coming to Syracuse – they have a couple of large ‘storage’ facilities in PA, one east and one west I believe – where they store the “used frack fluid.”  was assured none is coming to  Onondaga county, who  just passed a county wide waste ban.

I asked about definition of used FF – the person did not know – and I asked about radioactivity, keeping workers and equipment safe etc. – and she said that Env. Products and Svcs are not licensed for two types of waste – explosive or radioactive so what they deal with in PA cannot be radioactive “or they would have to tell us.”  yeah.

Response to where “ultimately disposed of”  – vague.  Response to where “Reused?” – to frack.”

So I wrote the company rep on the website and asked about same – composition of used FF, disposal, reuse destinations, radioactivity – never got an answer.  Have not had time to circle back yet.

Mary

On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Mike Bernhard <mikebernhard@frontiernet.net> wrote:

Have you asked the woman in New Hartford to check with her highway dept?

—– Original Message —–

From: William Huston

To: undisclosed-recipients:

Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 9:23 PM

Subject: [nygrass] Qs about PA drilling wastes coming into NY

I have 5 specific questions which I hope you can help answer. 

1) Have PA drilling wastes been received at Watertown NY? (landfill or POTW)2) Have PA drilling wastes been received at Auburn NY? (landfill or POTW)

These claims were made here, but I’ve never seen this mentioned anywhere else:
http://www.bluemtpreservation.org/editorspagenew61.html

3) Are PA drilling wastes being being spread on NY roads?

I have heard the above as rumors, however I have found no authoritative source.
This article suggests it, but offers no proof. A woman from New Hartford (Oneida Co.)
just contacted me reporting a orange-brown fluid spread on her roads.
Do you have direct knowledge of this? Published source?

Where we know the wastes are going:

The existing research I’ve seen lists the following sites as having accepted
drilling wastes from PA:

• Chemung Co. Landfill, Lowman (source: Fractracker, etc)
• C & D Hakes Landfill, Painted Post (souce: Fractracker, etc)
• Cuylerville desalinization plant (source: Livingston County News)
• Hyland Landfill, Angelica NY (Mantius, Fractracker)
• Seneca Meadows Landfill, Waterloo (Fractracker)
• Allied Landfill, Niagara Falls, NY (Fractracker)
• EPS of Vermont, Syracuse (Fractracker) 
  

4) Do you know of other sites directly taking PA drilling wastes? 

Here are places taking PA drilling wastes indirectly, via landfill leachate from direct sources:

• Huron Campus/EIT (now i3 Electronics), Endicott (from Seneca Meadows, DEC and other sources)

• Wellsville POTW (from Hyland, source: Peter Mantius)
• Bath POTW (from Hyland, source: Peter Mantius)
  

5) Do you know of other INDIRECT sites receiving landfill leachate from direct sources? 

Thanks!

 

Toxics Targeting has archive of DEC approvals for spreading brine on roads:  http://www.toxicstargeting.  com/MarcellusShale/documents/2011/07/21/wastewater-spreading  These were not included in the Riverkeeper FOIA request results.